WebApostate v. Jehovah's Witness - Part 1 - Alex. Congregation elders may offer counsel in privileged settings, with the opportunity for the member to confess wrongdoing. Members who know whose actions are being discussed may then consider the individual "marked". I proved to myself that I have more faith or endurance than I knew that I had. I tried to stop the collection of this illegal, unlawful, and unconstitutional tax not all Utahans pay. Honestly I wish for you, you never got involved with someone who is indoctrinated, and whilst I understand you love her, my instinct is to tell you cut your loses and to run for the hills. Everyone and their dog wants to conquer America. If any objective, unbiased and irrefutable evidence were discovered that there is a God who created all things, then you might consider believing again. Jws is basically a doomsday cult. WebDisfellowship for apostasy today Just came back from my last judicial hearing this afternoon from the kingdom hall. WebThe Society reinforces its ban on any critical thinking by stating that individuals may be disfellowshipped for any action that "may involve or lead to apostasy" (Pay Attention, p. 95, emphasis mine); i.e., a Witness may be disfellowshipped for apostasy even if that person has not rebelled against Watchtower teachings! Jws dont allow blood transfusions, they shun former members, teach science-deniying materal, dont celebrate birthdays, discourage higher education etc etc. How can one crosscheck anything they write? I had to fight. After we take possession of our kingdom, Jesus gets his neverending government. They have conquered other nations the same way but not all of America. (Matt 18:18-20). He brought thousands of immigrants where who believe we must feed them before we feed our children, pets and selves. I walk the wine press alone. The reason they can accept the impossibly fast evolution of species since the flood is the same reason they can believe the flood happened.. because they believe in a magical sky daddy. I need to be more careful. Their verdict was to disfellowship me because I believed in evolution. [114], Elders are instructed to make an attempt each year to remind disfellowshipped individuals of the steps they can take to qualify for reinstatement. Reproof is given before all who are aware of the transgression. This congress that despised LDS and would not let them be seated for 7 years, created a corporate seat of gov for Young in UT, territory! If you feel insulted being called an apostate who is mentally diseased, that is the least of your worries. No law since 1913 is constitutional. I'm also confused by the FAQ about shunning which says something different. WebMy wife is disfellowshipped JW who wishes to be reinstated. You may not believe in the bibleit does not matter. selling lottery tickets, firearms or cigarettes; working in an abortion clinic, church or military base). Ive been disfellowshipped for a few years now and my life seems to keep getting better. I am look for people that love freedom, justice, equal protection of the law, truth and all that is lovely and of good report. Young has lost 3 wars in his goal to rule the worldSmiths corporate gov, constitution and democracy presently rule the world. I have since come to appreciate the rightness of a quotation I recently read, one made by a statesman, now dead, who said: "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the liedeliberate, contrived and dishonestbut the mythpersistent, persuasive and unrealistic." They are to be disfellowshipped because Jesus is trying to have the Bride appear before the Groom as spotless, and sexual immorality especially, tarnishes the Bride of Christ Who is betrothed to Christ. Leaders wanted it named Zion but God would not allow it. They are actively teaching against it. You can tell them that although you don't believe in the bible or in creation, you need to continue as a member in order to keep your family ties. He got the kingdom come taken from the Jews, Matt 21:43. He left for Illinois and secretly declared war of Illby vote, numbers, and his military legion. And yes its a cult not a religion. They get treaties that enslave and plunder us. Most of us have not caught on nor listened to truth. I am so sorry your entire family has been hurt by the organization you lovingly dedicated your lives, service, family, and $ to. He allows illegals here with the same belief. Members who engage in conduct that is considered inappropriate may be counseled privately by elders and congregational responsibilities may be withheld or restricted. [15] "Marking" is indicated by means of a warning talk given to the congregation outlining the shameful course, without explicitly naming any particular individual. Greet or talk with disfellowshipped persons (with some exceptions) 140. [20] The Governing Body investigation resulted in the disfellowshipping of several other headquarters staff. And share your general concerns about religion in general, so you don't single out jws. Disfellowshipment, rather than excommunication, may be a tactic to try and neutralize this very real danger to the finances of the Corporation. If all fails, it may seriously come down to two routes - divorce or you just let her go back and try to support her. I have tried to cause Gov. It is hard to hear this truth and the terror that comes with it. Fate and providence decided to execute Smith in Carthage jail. [84] A related local needs talk may be given, separately to the announcement, without naming anyone. I feel like theres no one to discuss truth with so this is a good place. Wouldn't that give them the message loud and clear that hostage-taking works? In Paul, however, the religious group acted as the aggressor, violating the plaintiff's right to emotional well-being. You will find a lot of helpful info and people here. Congregational restrictions are imposed on reinstated individuals. Herbert/huntsman promote RF meters microwave radiation poison frequency that cases tumors, cancer, heart disease and death by torture using 2G and 3G! Slim to none! Franz joined the Jehovah's Witnesses in 1938, and became a baptized member in 1939. Surely that stems from freemasonry, certainly Sis Lusk in a room full of men is a throwback to early days that still exist in the church. Even if that happens, OP would still be better off in an actual christian church, not the JW cult. The Jews wanted the political kingdom but god would not give it to them. WebWhile still disfellowshipped, she has cut communication with your mother for expressing her opinion on the religion SHE IS NO LONGER PART OF and you have supported her on this. When David turned to a local elder for advice, the next thing he knew was that the organization had disfellowship his father labeling him as an Apostate. If you don't see your brand new post it right away, please don't panic! Despite everything that happened to him in the last two seasons of The "[14] It told disappointed Jehovah's Witnesses, "including persons having to do with the publication of the information that contributed to the buildup of hopes centred on that date" to "concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint". There surely must be good people in Utah. I now began to realize how large a measure of what I had based my entire adult life course on was just that, a mythpersistent, persuasive and unrealistic. In 1984, Harrison Reed wrote a letter to the Dawn Bible Students explaining how he was disfellowshipped for going back to our Early Watchtower roots. An estimated 70,000 Jehovah's Witnesses are disfellowshipped every year roughly 1% of the church's total population, according to data All rights reserved. They were smarter than II never caught on to Smiths law lies. Their verdict was to disfellowship me because I believed in Mag-log In (may bubukas na bagong window) Just came back from my last judicial hearing this afternoon from the kingdom hall. We find the practice of shunning not to constitute a sufficient threat to the peace, safety, or morality of the community as to warrant state intervention. They are waiting for armageddon when their God jehovah wipes out everyone who is not a JW (this will fluctuate depending on which JW you speak with, or the date of the magazine you read, but it's pretty much bottom line). I doubt those whove been disfellowshipped or who resign would be eligible to participate. The unborn is innocent. Whole your mom might not have voiced her opinion in the best way, she is probably right about anything she said about the cult. Thanks for submitting one of your very first posts to our sub. [119], An unbaptized individual who has previously been approved to share in Jehovah's Witnesses' formal ministry, but who subsequently behaves in a manner considered inappropriate may lose privileges, such as commenting at meetings, receiving assignments, or even accompanying the congregation in the public ministry. Everything these bastards do is to kill and go unpunished. I got my property tax notice and looked up the law authorizing collection of taxesdid not exist. WebHow many Jehovah's Witnesses get disfellowshipped yearly? Anyone who speaks badly about the cult is an apostate, misled by the devil and needs to be shunned, and avoided at all cost. He was given his own county but he had to keep his people in that country. Stop keeping company with 1 Corinthians 5:11 (Category: Shunning not based on the Bible.) Idolatry as an expression of apostasy. (Category: The eleven disfellowshipping offenses and Apostasy.) :), This is amazing news to me I worked along with Joe and his wife in the field in my younger years.. so great to hear a name that is familiar and who has woken up .. , Congrats! Both are kept until at least five years after reinstatement. This monopoly becomes more evident when individuals opt to differ from the official teachings of the Governing Body (GB), a group of men, who view themselves as Gods sole channel of communication Reproof involves actions for which a person could be disfellowshipped, and is said to be an effort to 'reach the heart' and convince a person of the need to hate the sanctioned actions[80][81] and repent. Your wife needs to learn to respect your family opinions, You family needs to know about the JWs as you learn more about it. Nowhere in 17 does it state the elected by the people have power to case their states senate vote. "[29] After he was disfellowshipped, Franz published two booksCrisis of Conscience (1983) and In Search of Christian Freedom (1991)presenting detailed accounts of his experiences as a Jehovah's Witness, a Governing Body member, and his experiences throughout various levels of the organization. Females seem to get disfellowshiped more. JWs are soooo afraid of apostates, like a demon might possess them, take them over.. Talking to someone who has left the org will not get you disfellowshipped. Her mother didn't answer her phonecalls for 15 years. On 6/30/2019 Mormon Bishop Jared Lusk attended a Mormon church disciplinary council in the Farmington, New Mexico stake on the charges of apostasy. A person who believes that a serious error in judgment has been made may appeal the decision. Private disagreement not expressed publicly can lead to disfellowshipping. Not necessarily the dictionary definition of the word apostate, which simply means a person who leaves their religionfor by that definition everyone who leaves any religion to become a JW is an apostatebut the JW conception of the APOSTATE, both as an individual and as a group is imaginary. Personal "shepherding visits" are intended to encourage members of the congregation, though may also include counsel and correction, then or on a subsequent visit. My biggest regret as a missionary was the pressure I placed on folk to pay their tithing as we worked with families living below the bread line. WebFrom time to time a certain disgruntled customer or someone who just has "a bone to pick" with our company has spread slanderous emails or posted comments that Ministry Ideaz' Cultural Context Preceding the Book of Mormon, https://traffic.libsyn.com/mormonstories/MormonStories-1143-LuskDisfellowship.mp3. They would not overturn other elders decision. She and Herbert knew their courts have kept me so poor I live far below the poverty line. This is how I left the religion that ruled my life for 19 years. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. I think Herbert and several elite leaders are plundering America and UT. We will also discuss why the Lusks are disappointed in the verdict. Young took over and lost the 1847 UT war with the US army. The expect us to feed them, police them, protect them Americans are a different breed. Individuals who are disfellowshipped may be reinstated after an extended period if they are deemed to demonstrate repentance. I look forward to posting my recordings in the future, but for now - my efforts are towards me family and friends which I'm going to have to say good bye to. His sins included: During the disciplinary council Jareds Mormon Stake President read the charges of apostasy, including several of Jareds Facebook statements. 1. Franz resigned from the Governing Body in 1980 and was subsequently disfellowshipped on the grounds of Its more likely that the Church has simply opted to disfellowship rather than excommunicate in these high profile cases to soften the impact to their public image. How generous and non judgmental of Jared towards the high council I have no hard feelings great men. WebApostasy (289) 6.9 1 h 34 min 2018 13+ Devout Jehovah's Witnesses, Alex and Luisa and their mother are united in The Truth. I learned about corporation applied to government illegally, unlawfully and unconstitutionally. In church history, it seems there are three essentials that each church must have. Raymond Victor Franz (May 8, 1922 June 2, 2010) was a member of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses from October 20, 1971, until his removal on May 22, 1980,[1][2] and served at the organization's world headquarters for fifteen years, from 1965 until 1980. Im a lifelong member of the church with 6 happy children and a super wife. I recommend the BITE Model as a good reference to cult mind control. [1] Elders may also give recommendations or warnings to members in non-judicial situations. It is not ok to stand by and allow LDS to enslave us and our children. Its ok if you blame god. [89][53] When a judicial committee decides that a baptized Witness has committed a serious sin and is unrepentant, the person is disfellowshipped. My mom will constantly talk about JW propaganda, how gay people are lost and unnatural (my wife's sister is gay) and how wonderful it is that God will soon rid earth of all evil etc. [59][60] Some have stated that this applies to all individuals who leave the organization. Search on YouTube for Crusaders VICE, its a documentary about Jehovah witnesses made by VICE. Word of advice, you might not wanna let your wife know about your research until you are more sure about what you know. [79] After the hearing is opened with a prayer, the accused is invited to make a personal statement. They want to live like kings on some island with stole taxes. The committee may then proceed with discipline such as is described for 'non-judicial' situations. I lost in courts until I put God back into my life. I really appreciated hearing the statements that were read. 15 And yet do not consider him an enemy, but continue admonishing him as a brother. At the end it talked about the harsh treatment given Mormons who were driven from town to town. Then came Trump. Havent heard that one.? " Listen to podcast on Apple podcasts or Spotify, search for Call Bethel. Smith finished writing his government and constitution in 1844. Grew up in Australia, stuck in Utah now. Mitt lost being elected. Why were the LDS part of Roe? So no need to get in a panic as if you need her out of that org today! She told me shortly after meeting me she was a JW previously and wished to be reinstated. I guess as she wants to be reinstated she fully believes the doctrine? WebDisfellowshipping is intended to be the acknowledgement that an ordained minister had turned their back on the congregation and is no longer recognized as a minister of the congregation until they choose to return. Well when I finally started doing research on ex-JWs I found this subreddit and read others experiences on being a JW. The committee arranges a formal judicial hearing to determine the circumstances of the sin, whether the accused is repentant, and whether disciplinary actions will be taken.[68][69][70]. How? I fell in love with our constitution when I was 6 or 7 years old! They already had the word kingdom and wanted it all. On top of that, as a male they'll boost your ego big time. In a review of the case, the 1988 Washington University Law Quarterly remarked: The Ninth Circuit's extension of the free exercise clause to include a privilege against tort liability is incorrect. Yes, it most certainly is! There's a lot of bad about this, but if you want to stay with her, be careful about pushing too hard or bringing very much up to her. WebBaguhin ang wika ng site. Their verdict was to disfellowship me because I believed in evolution. At times, some temporary policy may be announced that might be seen as disciplinary; for example, it may be that an additional attendant is assigned outside a Kingdom Hall to discourage children from running on the sidewalk.[19]. WebYou would be labeled an apostate. [63] Members are instructed to report serious sins committed by other members. This page was last edited on 28 February 2023, at 12:39. "[12] Actions for which an individual may be "marked" include dating a non-member,[13] dating when not "scripturally" or legally free to marry,[14] being lazy, critical, or dirty, meddling, taking material advantage of others or indulging in "improper" entertainment. You know, she might not have even seen the 2016 video I mentioned or read the FAQ on the website, (that's if if she's been out of the org a few years.) It's not worth it to have a miserable life. Its weird when I was a jw I always heard about disfellowshipped people ending up on drugs with various illnesss. On March 18, 1981, Franz' employer in Alabama submitted a letter of disassociation from Jehovah's Witnesses. Did his wife go with him? This is Smiths constitutional law. You can either pay and watch it on their website or watch it for free on YouTube. Little do they know that they believe in evolution on a scale that is insanely faster than what an evolutionary biologist would ever allow. They are to be disfellowshipped because Jesus is trying to have the Bride appear before the Groom as spotless, and LDS control the court system.Herbert won after he admitted I complied with the law. [17], At conventions and assemblies, and about once each month at a local midweek meeting, a short talk regarding "local needs" is presented. I forgot about it until fate/providence showed me Smiths terrifying, satanic, brutal laws. Judge Chon refused to grant me in forma pauperus standing to not pay the legals fees. Attending meetings regularly while being shunned is a requirement for eventual reinstatement. Generally, disfellowshipped people are not allowed to even even say hello to their former friends and family still in the religion. WebSagot sa mga Tanong sa Bibliya Paliwanag sa mga Teksto sa Bibliya Pag-aaral sa Bibliya The court stated: Shunning is a practice engaged in by Jehovah's Witnesses pursuant to their interpretation of canonical text, and we are not free to reinterpret that text. He was never disfellowshipped nor fully shunned. In the June 1987 case Paul v. Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York Inc, the United States Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit upheld the Witnesses' right to shun those who fail to live by the group's standards and doctrines, upholding the ruling of a lower court. [3] Following his removal, Franz wrote two books that related his personal experiences with the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society and his views on Jehovah's Witnesses teachings. I believe the facebook question Jared received: Are you saying the church is extorting $ from its members re the requirement to pay tithing in order to get to heaven? and his response: Yes, a case can be made for the church extorting $ from its members., hit a nerve with the Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. There is no FEDERAL title of nobility in Roe to murder and go unpunished. Good luck with how you pursue this. I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. [12][13] The March 15, 1980, issue of The Watchtower issued a statement of regret that its assertions of probability of Armageddon arriving before 1975 had "apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of expectation already initiated. The federal courts granted me in forma pauperus, so did the Ut Ct of appeals and Ut sup court , but not Chon. Sorrythat was wordy. If your post meets our posting requirements (see: posting guidelines). I am be looking at how and cannot recognize it. WebA variety of controls can be enforced, from reproof and restriction of congregational duties to excommunication, known as disfellowshipping, which includes shunning. As you can see it splits families apart very quickly. This is another great documentary about them which will help you understand them better. WebA disfellowshipped person is to be shunned by family and friends. I'm sorry. All JWs are like security keypads that may let you put in a wrong number once or twice (something that challenges their faith), but if you hit too many wrong buttons (what triggers her cognitive dissonance) she will mentally lock up and think that you are an agent if Satan. Had I been taught this as a child, I would have seen through Smith lies, propaganda, fraud and would not have hated my ancestors for obeying blindly. If you want to learn mor Smith did for a week. The following month, a committee of the Governing Body raised concerns about "wrong teachings" being spread by headquarters staff and began questioning staff about their beliefs. WebShould apostates and sinners be disfellowshipped from the congregation? Thats the reality. The committee may determine that there was no "serious sin", or that mitigating circumstances absolve the accused individual. Smith/Young knew all this stuff and now I know it and so do you. It says there that normal family affections and dealings continue when someone is disfellowshipped. I have not found any so far. [129] The fine was initially 96,000 before being reduced. I want people who love free agency to help restore our constitution. [122], According to Raymond Franz, a letter dated September 1, 1980, from the Watch Tower Society to all circuit and district overseers advised that a member who "merely disagrees in thought with any of the Watch Tower Society's teachings is committing apostasy and is liable for disfellowshipping. [91][92] Witness literature states that avoiding interaction with disfellowshipped former adherents helps to:[93], Shunning is also practiced when a member formally resigns membership or is deemed to indicate by their actionssuch as accepting a blood transfusion[96] or association with another religion[97] or military organization[98]that they do not wish to be known as a Witness. Most of these families were taking food out of their childrens mouths to live the Higher Law. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, PIMS - S for Skeptical. He must have sold his soul to Satan like a musician, PICTURES told about a few years ago, if Satan would teach him how to play the guitar. Churchill, Jew, is claimed to be prince Churchill of Africa. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. I just dont see myself believing it and becoming a JW. Why are you not seeing women at meetings passing mics or doing the sound, but you see them vacuuming and cleaning the toilets after the meeting's over? WebDisfellowshipped. Losing his Mormon faith after reading the Mormon churchs own Gospel Topics essays, which discussed topics such as : a) discrepancies in the multiple accounts of Joseph Smiths first vision, b) Joseph Smiths polygamy and polyandry, c) concerns about the authenticity of the Book of Mormon and Book of Abraham, etc. I grew up as a JW and 20 years later after leaving in my early 20s, I still need therapy and actively have to stop myself from acting out on the behaviours I was taught back then.